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19t>>15g

ZVOLV said:
Im hanging out with the Rice Krispy dudes Snap and Krackle around 12psi on 15g. Stock 2.4 with bigger injectors. 15g hits fuel cut too No point in going bigger unless some tuning is done. I dont want to hang out with Pop.
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Then why do you not have a set of chips from me? Rumor has it the maps have been extended and the ziode is not needed untill. A higher boost pressue
 
Good stuff here.

In doing a little research, the problem of bent rods in the whiteblocks has nothing to do with the turbo being "big." Because, well, it's NOT a big turbo, at all. It's a TD04.

The problem seems to be well documented...it's Motronic 4.3's inability to regulate boost well on the 850's when using turbochargers that flow disproportionately compared to the 15G's (the 19T is just a 15G with a slightly larger 46/58mm compressor wheel).

More info here...it was covered some years ago:
http://forums.turbobricks.com/archive/index.php/t-10961.html
 
thelostartof said:
Then why do you not have a set of chips from me? Rumor has it the maps have been extended and the ziode is not needed untill. A higher boost pressue
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Cuz i missed your sale. I was ready to send payment, but they sold. PM me.

And Snap and Krackle are actually really cool guys. I just dont want to hang out with Pop. That guy is an asshole. Koolaid man is a real ****bag.

I actually just put a turbo XS boost controller on, but left it hanging on the wastegate hose and the weight and boost pressure popped the hose off the turbo. I just left it that way because I want to be an overboosted tbricker.
 
L8 APEKS said:
Good stuff here.

In doing a little research, the problem of bent rods in the whiteblocks has nothing to do with the turbo being "big." Because, well, it's NOT a big turbo, at all. It's a TD04.
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Who cares about whiteblock benchracing? Its just ZOMG here comes 20psi in a split second!
 
L8 APEKS said:
The problem seems to be well documented...it's Motronic 4.3's inability to regulate boost well on the 850's when using turbochargers that flow disproportionately compared to the 15G's (the 19T is just a 15G with a slightly larger 46/58mm compressor wheel).
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afaik M4.3 just has a fixed boost map, no feedback from a map sensor. a 19T will move more air with the same wastegate 'signal'.
 
ZVOLV said:
Cuz i missed your sale. I was ready to send payment, but they sold. PM me.

And Snap and Krackle are actually really cool guys. I just dont want to hang out with Pop. That guy is an asshole. Koolaid man is a real ****bag.

I actually just put a turbo XS boost controller on, but left it hanging on the wastegate hose and the weight and boost pressure popped the hose off the turbo. I just left it that way because I want to be an overboosted tbricker.
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Wow lame excuse, waiting for a sale might cost you more in the long run as they might go up in price as more learn about how pimp they are

ZVOLV said:
Who cares about whiteblock benchracing? Its just ZOMG here comes 20psi in a split second!
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Pretty much, whiteblock is not needed to talk about here
 
Since I have them side by side on the bench right now and we are covering this topic, I brought out the dial caliper to take some measurements.

Turbine outlet diameter:
Angle-outlet housing--- 2.830"
Straight-outlet housing--- 2.380"

Turbine inlet:
Angle-outlet housing--- 1.900x1.970"
Straight-outlet housing--- 1.485x1.865"

So the super amazing better-than-conical housing is still far short cross-sectionally on both inlet and outlet sides than the straight-outlet.

For the non-math types around here (myself included):

Angle-outlet has 30% more cross-sectional area at the smallest point of the outlet

Angle-outlet has 26% more cross-sectional area at the outside of the inlet... Now to be fair the straight-outlet can be ported out quite a bit, there is a "hump" on the inlet that you can grind down a bit. But it will take a lot of removed material to match the bigger inlet of the angle-outlet housing.

Both housings in question are 7cm2 in size.

I think that if you compared the conical outlet, the outlet would probably be closer to 45-50% of the outlet size of the angled housing.
 
Why not? They seem to have a ton of $ coming in right now.

Downpipe prices have gone up mayve $30 in the last 4 years so that kind of price hike is not to bad.
Plus we are the only ones offering the rev limiter chips along with a lot of work done on the maps. Dyno time is coming up soon for a few cars to do a bunch more fine tuning for certain setups along with back to back tests and some oddball wiring sets to do these tests properly.

L8 APEKS said:
Please don't become the AIG of the Turbobricks world.
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Eric

Remember my post, not all angled outlet hosuings are the same. There are many out there just as crappy as the straight outlet in terms of inlet size

Oh and we have 3 or so of those larger better flowing stock angled outlets here for sale if anyone is lookng for them
 
And what about those that spend time breaking the code and writing it and testing it? Do you want to do it?

I am waiting for a few testers to finish paying up for the newer chips so I can finish sending $ to tuner for time and work, These chips are still being tuned and adjusted from time to time with updates and adjustments. So it is not like we took a 20year old chip and are just copying and selling. People are spending their time and effort working on them which is not free.

While you are at it, you want to for free do a bunch of dyno tests of different setups for me? build the wiring harness setup we need to do our testing for these? Free of course so we can pass the savings on to everyone else.

What about funding other products and projects for us to start working on? this is the reason these small community's fail so often, people bitch about someone making $ trying to bring more to the table for the market.

now I know why I stopped doing downpipes and exhausts for so long and am still ify on if i want to start doing them again> sometimes i wonder why i even bother helping the community
 
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thelostartof said:
Eric

Remember my post, not all angled outlet hosuings are the same. There are many out there just as crappy as the straight outlet in terms of inlet size

Oh and we have 3 or so of those larger better flowing stock angled outlets here for sale if anyone is lookng for them
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Yes, I was going to search for the thread but got lazy and VS search sucks anyway :-P

But absolutely correct... From what I've seen those closed-up housings don't seem to be so common. Maybe they were only equipped for half a model year or something?

I think anyone serious about more than 250 bhp on a redblock with a TD04HL should seriously consider buying one of those housings from you ;) Not that it's required, but it's certainly a good idea.
 
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