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Jared's '79 5.3 244 Project: The Qwikbrik

Got my windshield replaced while I was out of town this week. A+ job by the glass tech, super satisfied, really enjoying my new knife he left laying in the grass for my kid to find too!

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Bloody hell that's sloppy.

When I had mine replaced on the wagon a few years ago, it had (according to the guy) the 'wrong' glue holding in the old windshield, and he had to spend a long time cleaning that off to put the right glue on foe the new one. The windshield went in and fit and looks right, but... I guess the process of cleaning the old glue off left gooey flecks of it flung all over the interior, where it stuck. And on the hood and fenders. Very hard to clean off, and I still have some stains on the seats from the glue.
 
JohnMc said:
Bloody hell that's sloppy.

When I had mine replaced on the wagon a few years ago, it had (according to the guy) the 'wrong' glue holding in the old windshield, and he had to spend a long time cleaning that off to put the right glue on foe the new one. The windshield went in and fit and looks right, but... I guess the process of cleaning the old glue off left gooey flecks of it flung all over the interior, where it stuck. And on the hood and fenders. Very hard to clean off, and I still have some stains on the seats from the glue.
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The early windshields were held in with essentially butyl tape. A large amound of it. Modern windshields use an adhesive type of epoxy (it is early and I can't think of the name, and it has been 2.5 years since I went for window replacement training).

With the modern stuff, once it is cut out, you leave a thin layer of it on the frame of the car and apply new epoxy on top of it, without going right down to the paint layer.

When switching from the butyl to the new stuff, you have to clean the old butyl off, and it is a PAIN to get it off if you don't have the right stuff around (many of the glass shops don't experience this stuff since butyl hasn't been common in YEARS).

That is one of the ****tiest installs I've seen. I wonder if he applied the epoxy right above the butyl. In which case, the glass will probably just fall out over time (and no way it is sealed properly).

*note some of my info may be wrong, it has been 2.5 almost 3 years since I went for glass training, and we decided against doing it in the shop and have a mobile third party that comes in to do it for us, so my info is a cross between him changing my 240 windshield and training with Volvo (which did talk about the old butyl style).

I'm angry for you on that workmanship.

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This is horrendous. I've replaced hundreds of windshields as an auto body tech, this kind of work would never fly in a decent body shop. Unfortunately this is common in the glass business which is why a lot of body shops have opted to do their own glass work. If this guy butchered a 40 year old windshield install I can't imagine what he'd do to a new vehicle.

Windshields are installed with urethane adhesive nowadays instead of butyl. Butyl is a nasty mess but it takes 5 minutes to remove the pillar trim and cover the headliner and dash with masking plastic. There are many solvents that will take care of the residue in short order without damaging the paint.

After the butyl is totally removed, you prime the pinchweld with the proper urethane primer, pump out a bead of urethane and set the glass.

Does it even keep water out??

Was this a national company or some independent glass guy? If it's a corporation I'd demand that they pay for a proper body shop to cut it out and do a proper install. Who knows how much bare metal is underneath from him trying to cut out butyl. No idea why you'd even try a knife with butyl, it's like trying to cut through wet chewing gum, except stickier.
 
Allegedly they're sending the regional manager to fix it this afternoon. The plan is to remove the windshield, strip the moulding off it, apply a molding that's wider to cover the marks (the previous windshield actually had the wider moulding) and reinstall it.

I cannot wait for them to shatter this windshield while removing it the day before MountainMeet.
 
They should be able to get it out without shattering it but the urethane will be a gooey mess in the center of the bead, it takes weeks or months to cure all the way through. Make sure they don't leave a nasty mess with all the wet urethane and butyl residue.

Also universal molding can look like ass depending on the shape and there will be a seam in the center, just so you're aware. Did it have a universal molding before or the OEM windshield trim?
 
threewagons said:
They should be able to get it out without shattering it but the urethane will be a gooey mess in the center of the bead, it takes weeks or months to cure all the way through. Make sure they don't leave a nasty mess with all the wet urethane and butyl residue.

Also universal molding can look like ass depending on the shape and there will be a seam in the center, just so you're aware. Did it have a universal molding before or the OEM windshield trim?
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I believe it was universal. This might be an oem style rubber trim they're putting on. Honestly it doesn't have to be concours correct, just needs to look decent. I mean the car has a rusty orange hood. The only concours it's getting entered in is the Concours du Lemons
 
Well hopefully they just do a nice job this time, that's what really matters! New glass is almost as satisfying as new tires :cool:
 
Indeed. It's hard to notice all the tiny sand pits on old glass, but new glass is just so incredibly clear.

The windshield on my PV is almost like a chunk of beach glass at this point, lol.
 
And it needs to be a bit wider, there's almost certainly going to be a line of some sort on an older car where the old trim was, and the new trim isn't going to be in exactly the same spot, so the new trim needs to overlap some.
 
JohnMc said:
Indeed. It's hard to notice all the tiny sand pits on old glass, but new glass is just so incredibly clear.

The windshield on my PV is almost like a chunk of beach glass at this point, lol.
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It won't do much for bad pits, but cerium oxide glass polish can help, especially with night visibility. It works really well for fine scratches like from years of wiper blades etc.
 
Geez, I'm glad you got the windshield mess rectified! That was definitely the worst install I have ever seen in photos. The fix job does look decent, very similar to the one I had done on Karl's silver '92 wagon that I fixed up and sold. That was a universal style seal/trim also but turned out fine for a driver.
 
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Much better. The trim is definitely universal, but I really don't care.
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Your whole ordeal reminded me of the time i got my windshield replaced in Eugene by some dick pinchers. The ****ing dork left the old butyl sealant on the windshield and then put down the urethan sealant on top of that. This made the windshield offset about 1/4" on the top of the bodywork. It definitely leaked. The glass didn't even have the adhesion texture stuff along the edges which was weird.

Still upset about it. Those ****ers suck. I hope they go out of business. But I feel dumb for not noticing sooner lol
 
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