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Loads of Volvo 16 Valve Info

jcko1431

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Well, I guess if the 16v is so good that Ford car owners are using it, then I better get on board. I was about to complain that they should find their own double cam and let the volvo owners have the volvo heads, but then I remembered if I do this mod, I'll need a T5 transmission and I seem to recall that's from a Ford. So share and share alike.;-)
 
780_Bertone

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not to change the whole topic to much, but what fuel injectors come on the stock 16V? do they flow better than the green ones on my 90 b230ft? Because I found a 16v car and it has what looks to me like brown/tan top injectors. could these be the ford ones? If so, i'm going back. thanks, -Dan.
 
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Ford 2.3 16v myth

Hi,

This is my first post here. I owned a Merkur for about 5 years and am still active on several of the Ford Turbo boards. I bought a 760 Turbo a few months ago and parted out the Merkur.

The 16v Volvo head on a turboford is an interesting concept, but there is not any proof that anyone has gotten one to run reliably. There is a video floating around of one running, but nobody has stepped forward with dyno numbers or claiming that they have one up to streetable/raceable tune.

There are some challenges mating the 16v to the ford block. The details like cam belt and ignition have been worked out, but in terms of reliability/durability, the biggest red flag in my eyes is that the bores don't line up, leaving the combustion chambers off-center. Combining Ford's strong bottom-end with an aluminum free flowing head is a nice idea. strangely enough, most of the coolant passages in the Ford head gasket line up with the Volvo head.

I disagree with the poster who claims the Ford guys don't have it right. The guys working on this or providing input to those guys working on it are some really smart guys who aren't afraid to do something that looks impossible. There are some amazingly talented guys working on turbo fords. What I like about my Volvo is that I find the platforms amazingly similar, and can carry over much of what I've learned over the years in terms of cheap performance.

Bill Fye
 
linuxman51

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Pennybridge Pioneer said:
you could always use the sr20det head, but it has 5 bolts and the exhaust cam spins backwards, right kenny? :-P
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actually if its set up like the ka24de head, the cams do spin opposite directions from each other (i'll let you figure out why)

but ya, i can't believe that line of bull**** I fed you that you believed (at least for a little while) hahaha
 
Boosted2003

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linuxman51 said:
actually if its set up like the ka24de head, the cams do spin opposite directions from each other (i'll let you figure out why)

but ya, i can't believe that line of bull**** I fed you that you believed (at least for a little while) hahaha
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LOL. Maybe cause the intake is on the passenger side and exhaust on drivers side.
 
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The 16v Volvo head on a turboford is an interesting concept, but there is not any proof that anyone has gotten one to run reliably. There is a video floating around of one running, but nobody has stepped forward with dyno numbers or claiming that they have one up to streetable/raceable tune.
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Apparently, there are a few, though that does not mean everyone should rush to join the few. You can get the names from the 2300-16V mailing list or from Turboford.org. The one that I recall most recently is the guy with the older Volvo 240 drag wagon that has appeared on tracks from Florida to NJ. He was running a Volvo block and Volvo 16V head, but has reportedly switched to the Ford block and Volvo 16V head. I talked to Ford Turbo drag racer Joe Morgan once on the phone about the idea, and he said that although he has not done it or studied it that closely, he believes that the bores do not perfectly fit the combustion chambers. You get one lined up perfectly, but there is a growing error as you go out from that one. Given that 1mm can make a significant difference, this could be a problem. I'll do one, but I'll use the Volvo block. With stronger internals, it can hold all the power I need (maybe half the 700 whp the Volvo 240 drag wagon has supposedly made -- reportedly he switched blocks because the Ford one is stronger).

Philip Bradley
 
mikep

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In my opinion, the Ford 2.3 with the curved outer intake runners was one of the strangest ideas ever. I can see why it's worth the hassle changing over. A slight discrepancy in Chamber overhang can be overlooked if the breathing, including port length matching, is improved a huge amount.
 
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qwkswede

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Yes, the cam sprockets are interchangeable. Some of the other ones are not though.

n xntrx volvo said:
is the info on this site right regarding cam sprokets? is it possible to use 8v gears on a 16v?
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