Most beautifullestest Volvo 245 1975 ever

[Prime240]

This thread is funny, I have been contemplating turning a late model 240 into an earlier style cued 240. Front end, trim and molding from an earlier car with the upgraded engine and electronics remaining. I have all the parts necessary!

So you want to do like this guy?
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=263403

 

[240240]

The most beautiful 240 is an early 140.

 

[Jack]

This to me says VIN swap. That would be a huge pain in the ass. Have you ever looked at the 2 different styles and how much metal work it would require to do that?

<- win

 

[Tuff240]

^ lol

 

[Estoque]

This is not good Kristi?n. Get it checked with the RDW (Dutch Government) before spending any money on it (i know its a beater). But this car is VIN-swapped.

Everything is late-model, except the VIN.
- Wide Dash
- Late style Fenders
- Big nose
- Trimming is late model
- lights and bumpers are late model
- interior is late model.

this is a late model.

 

[petiww]

Nah, don't make him feel weird, after all this is a cheap daily, who cares if its vin swapped or not.

Just use it!

Btw I saw a vid on fb with an old 245 crashing an old bike, was that you?

 

[Estoque]

it's a pretty serious crime here in Holland.

In Holland we pay taxes every 3 months, based on the weight and on what kind of fuel it uses.

Diesel is about €0,50 a liter cheaper(€1,-) then normal Euro95(€1,50). But wil set you back more in roadtax.
Liquid Petrolium Gas (LPG) is the most expensive roadtax, but is by far the cheapest to run (around €0.65 a liter)
Petrol is cheapest in roadtax, but the most expensive at the gasstation.

A few year ago we had a tax-system that included that when a car reached the age of 25 years old it would become a "Oldtimer" and would be roadtax-free. As a result of that, a lot of people drove 25 year old cars with LPG, so they could drive around very cheap.

After a lot of year, they decided to create a new tax system regarding old cars, because of the huge number of old cars being imported to the netherlands so the owner could drive around cheap.

The new system states that in order for a car to become a "oldtimer" and be roadtax-free, it has to be 40-years old.
For the cars that were previous stated as oldtimers, but aren't 40 years old they came up with a new rule: You can apply for a reduced taxrate (max. €120,- a year), but you can't use your car from start december till the end of february and your car has to run on petrol. Diesel and LPG cars are out of the equation. For those cars, you have to pay full tax-prices.

When your car hits the age of 40, you can have any type of fuel you want, because it will be tax-free.

So when that rule applied, a lot of people ditched their old cars and the export of old cars went up big time. A lot of 240 owners didn't like to pay the bill to remove the LPG system so they ended up selling these cars. The prices of a 240 went down, so selling it was realy hard for some.

In that time, a lot of people became creative with alternative solutions to get a 40 year old car, and this 245 is a fine example of it.


Selling such a car is illegal, as is owning a car that is VIN-modified. Once the authorities will find out (and they will, because your beater-car is in a bad shape, so they will pull you over). they will take away the car and crush it(they are realy turbobrick minded ). also, you can expect a fine because of tax evading..

i'm not trying to scare you, and i like the car. But it's been tinkered with.. so be carefull with it..

 

[Jack]

^and we complain about cali smog "nazis"

 

[Estoque]

it isn't that bad.

They cover the roads in the "winter" with a lot of salt, which helps the rusting proces a lot. So it isn't to bad to park your 240 in the garage during that period of time.

The only bad part on it, is that they don't have a rule to let enthousiasts have a dieselcar, without paying a lot of tax. They don't think somebody will have a diesel as a hobbycar.

 

[Henqui]

Here in the Netherlands you see this Win-swap more and more. Just to avoid paying tax. As long as it is not checked properly, it won't change.

 

[Funkee]

So glad I never sold my '74 242

That's not a 75. Rear lights are wrong, bumper is wrong, dash is wrong.

I keep hearing that LPG is cheaper, but what's the cost per Km?

LPG: ? ?0.55/liter
95 octane: ? ?1.45/liter

Mileage on LPG (my 940 2.3T) about 7 km per liter (lots of stops and traffic circles)
Mileage on 95 about 10 km per liter.

Monthly taxes LPG: ? ?100 (based on car mass and fuel type)
Monthly taxes petrol only: ? ?65

So it's a little less fuel efficient, but it's cleaner, and with use on a daily bases a lot cheaper than petrol.
A lot of people always b!tch about LPG but actually it's potentially more powerful than petrol, cheaper, keeps valves like new and the oil in your engine as clear as you put it in (practically no carbon deposits).
Here in NL (and surrounding countries) you can get it at almost every gas station.
I could write a book about it, but people have done that already

I've built a (Chevy) engine dedicated for LPG, there's no gasoline involved whatsoever and it's making noticeably more power than it did on petrol.
Pretty much al my cars (2 850s, 3 940s, 142, 242, Camaro, Impala) ran on LPG with hardly any problems besides the usual maintenance.

Say it with me (...)

 

[petiww]

So glad I never sold my '74 242
...

^-yeah

Also my 244 is LPG equipped so the motoroil is nice and clean, and won't get diluted with petrol.

Its funny but petrol is cheaper (1,2EUR) here and LPG is more expensive (0,8EUR)... So the difference is not that significant, and tax is the same for both.

What is your experience about 'excessive' ring and valve wear? Most people avoid LPG just because of this.
I was thinking about water injection to cool the comb. chamber down a bit...

 

[dutch242]

taxes wouldn't boter me with a vin swap but the insurance company's. when your getting in a crash the will investigate. You insurad a 75er the will find out it isn't. the end result is the are allowed to not pay your insurance claim and the one of the one you hit. all the cost will be put direct on you.

so in the end get it checked out otherwise you risk of a huge panelty and maby jail time for being not having insurance

 

[D.E]

Can I please see a picture of the engine bay?

 

[Turboman671800]

The car has everything from an 86 - 93 US car visible - including the later-style pet barrier - including the fender badges in place of the indicator repeaters. See the ones on the owner's domestic market 740? The hood, grille, cowl, A-pillars, roof, and front glass are the only parts that are not in keeping with a US 86+ save for the E-codes.

Somebody hit a moose or left their car out in a hailstorm and swapped over the VIN plates from the clapped-out donor car they got the upward-facing metal from.

Try not to hit another moose with a backyard A-pillar swap in there.

~Sam

 

[Jack]

The car has everything from an 86 - 93 US car visible - including the later-style pet barrier - including the fender badges in place of the indicator repeaters. See the ones on the owner's domestic market 740? The hood, grille, cowl, A-pillars, roof, and front glass are the only parts that are not in keeping with a US 86+ save for the E-codes.

Somebody hit a moose or left their car out in a hailstorm and swapped over the VIN plates from the clapped-out donor car they got the upward-facing metal from.

Try not to hit another moose with a backyard A-pillar swap in there.

~Sam

what are you talking about
there is no change in those (windshield trim and early antenna in windshield aside)

 

[Turboman671800]

what are you talking about
there is no change in those (windshield trim and early antenna in windshield aside)

Sigh... I did indeed phrase that poorly. I meant that those are the only parts on that car that didn't appear to be original to the 86+ base car. The ****ty paint is consistent, so what I should have said is that it appears as if the butcher just cut the roof, pillars, and cowl off in one fell swoop and welded (glued?) them onto the 86+.

Long day...

~Sam

P.S. Just saw your location - I've bought a few parts for my 1979 GT from you on fleabay (the Orient Express). I'm OEMAutomotive4less over there. Small world.

 

[D.E]

The car has everything from an 86 - 93 US car visible - including the later-style pet barrier - including the fender badges in place of the indicator repeaters. See the ones on the owner's domestic market 740? The hood, grille, cowl, A-pillars, roof, and front glass are the only parts that are not in keeping with a US 86+ save for the E-codes.

Somebody hit a moose or left their car out in a hailstorm and swapped over the VIN plates from the clapped-out donor car they got the upward-facing metal from.

Try not to hit another moose with a backyard A-pillar swap in there.

~Sam

It is clearly a '81-85 model with the '86+ plastic trim and mirrors added. Most likely it's an '85 body. Those headlights and bumpers became standard on all 200-series cars in Europe in 1981 and the coffin hood was fitted to all models except the absolute base versions in 1985, before that only on GLT, GLE and 260.

 

[Arjan.]

Can I please see a picture of the engine bay?

Courtesy of Facebook:

 

[amerbritcan]

This car is so much WTF I can't f***ing handle it.