MS3Pro Mini, microsquirt upgrade/alternative?

[rb92673]

What did I miss?

 

[mikep]

There was a fool whom was not suffered gladly.

 

[Markos Simopoulos]

Tune it on a dyno. I have 10,000 race miles on my B230FT with microsquirt. No knock, even in 110 degree heat.

This is ideal but not everyone has access to a dyno even if you do, its best to get your car running as good as you can so you don't waste$$

curiously here 22 years into the whole volvo tuning and chill as a long time advocate for high compression turbo setups... I don't have a problem with this so I'll say it louder for the people that can't comprehend it:

if you're tuning a modified engine with some random aftermarket knock sensor setup, you're stupid.

I agree idk why the aftermarket community is so set on knock detection some setups costing 1000$+. I wish tuning spark with a pressure sensor was more accessible. That being said I think of knock as kinda like an idiot light but certainly not a tuning tool.

 

[rb92673]

Looks like they just posted an upgrade guide from Microsquirt.

UPGRADE: MicroSQUIRT to MS3Pro Mini

You may have noticed that the new MS3Pro Mini connector bears a striking resemblance to the connector on your older Microsquirt unit. This similarity is not coincidental; it’s intentional. You’re correct in thinking that you can repin your current harness connector, replace the Microsquirt, and...

www.diyautotune.com

 

[rb92673]

I don't need one, but I feel the urge to buy one. It would be nice to have more inputs for logging and more outputs for more idiot lights and boost control.

The onboard SD card would also eliminate a raspberry pi I have in the car for logging.

 

[culberro]

The idiot lights and internal logging are a really nice upgrade over the uS.

 

[WillettRun?]

Still not as good as a maxxecu mini.

 

[244tiCanuck]

I've never considered knock sensing as a tuning tool, more like a last line of defense against a bad tank of fuel. If it works even once for that, it's worth it.

 

[culberro]

Still not as good as a maxxecu mini.

Lol, from an IO standpoint I think you're wrong. From a software standpoint you're arguably correct

But please explain your statement and reasoning.

 

[WillettRun?]

It will never measure up to a current gen maxxecu mini in terms of basic functionality, ever. there is no comparison. The software, the ECU performance , and the capabilities can and will make up for any lack of I/O the current maxxecu generation lacks (add some cheap I/O Expansion with a MCE18) (until the next generation comes out). I'd never suffer any megasquirt ever again, and no one will ever convince me to do so either.

 

[cwdodson88]

It will never measure up to a current gen maxxecu mini in terms of basic functionality, ever. there is no comparison. The software, the ECU performance , and the capabilities can and will make up for any lack of I/O the current maxxecu generation lacks (add some cheap I/O Expansion with a MCE18) (until the next generation comes out). I'd never suffer any megasquirt ever again, and no one will ever convince me to do so either.

Care to elaborate on how it doesn’t measure up? What are we talking about? What capabilities? Without I/O you’re kinda limited on the capabilities… so spend $100 more on something that has less? Then buy something else to add more?

 

[mopar318]

I'd be ok with never having to hear the words "pull up resisters" followed by a poorly written instruction and layout on how to create a new circuit on the board.

 

[WillettRun?]

Care to elaborate on how it doesn’t measure up? What are we talking about? What capabilities? Without I/O you’re kinda limited on the capabilities… so spend $100 more on something that has less? Then buy something else to add more?

Can you hook up a Ms3 and have bmw/dodge 8hp/DCTgen1/2 transmission control? Can you address any table and any axis to any parameter up to 32x32? Does MS3 support many modern vehicle chassis CAN-Bus systems enabling OEM ecu removal? do you have a bunch of math channels and user tables for advanced strategies? how's resolution for deadtimes? Can you address any CAN bit state to an actual input or output? does your deadtime table still exist in percentages? When is the last time the ECU firmware got any actual useful feature updates?

Anything in software that the highest tier PRO model can do, the mini can do (and every software update is free, and the update cycle is very frequent, featuring massive value adding updates). I can go on, if you desire.

 

[cwdodson88]

Can you hook up a Ms3 and have bmw/dodge 8hp/DCTgen1/2 transmission control? Can you address any table and any axis to any parameter up to 32x32? Does MS3 support many modern vehicle chassis CAN-Bus systems enabling OEM ecu removal? do you have a bunch of math channels and user tables for advanced strategies? how's resolution for deadtimes? Can you address any CAN bit state to an actual input or output? does your deadtime table still exist in percentages? When is the last time the ECU firmware got any actual useful feature updates?

Anything in software that the highest tier PRO model can do, the mini can do (and every software update is free, and the update cycle is very frequent, featuring massive value adding updates). I can go on, if you desire.

Personally I don’t need dct control, like quite a few others here. 32x32 tables, ok, that’s cool, table switching works fine for most applications, but more res is better. Your points may be valid, but for most applications, not anything that is really necessary.

Really though, there’s no need to be so sore. I just wanted to know what you were meaning since your post was super vague and really just a bashing on megasquirt.

I’d consider a maxx, but if the rest of the support tiers are as butthurt as you are, I’ll pass. My old ass ms2 talks just fine to my setup, and even have one talking to a 400v hybrid system over CAN.