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ovlov.net DOHC on b230 tensioner/belt kit!

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G96nt

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http://www.ovlov.net/tensioner_2.html

did we All know that this existed?!

is this The solution to the problem with the different Style belt Tensioner between the SOHC, and DOHC motors?!

this is listed As for the b230... but Will work on b21's right?

does this mean We Can start making FAST b21fts?!

the volvo *MAY* liven up sooner than I thought!!!

especially SinceI get the Galant back mid-august!
the GLT can Come off the Road, and become *WICKED* fast!!!
 
G96nt said:
http://www.ovlov.net/tensioner_2.html

did we All know that this existed?!

is this The solution to the problem with the different Style belt Tensioner between the SOHC, and DOHC motors?!

this is listed As for the b230... but Will work on b21's right?

does this mean We Can start making FAST b21fts?!

the volvo *MAY* liven up sooner than I thought!!!

especially SinceI get the Galant back mid-august!
the GLT can Come off the Road, and become *WICKED* fast!!!
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this guy deserves a cookie :-D
 
wait.... huh?

sarcasm!?

last time I asked about putting the 234 head on my 21ft, everyone Said it Was near-impossible becuase of the belt tensioner differences...

I was quite-relieved to see this in my Search...

stupid SOHC 8-valve needs to GO! :badboy:
 
G96nt said:
last time I asked about putting the 234 head on my 21ft, everyone Said it Was near-impossible becuase of the belt tensioner differences...
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I didn't notice a post regarding a belt tensioner question. A number of us could have pointed you in the right direction including Richard Prince who posts on this board regularly.

Perhaps a clear request in the header of your post would have generated the answer the first time around. General questions regarding 16 valve head conversions appear to be largely ignored by the old-timers as the subject has been beaten to death in the past.

Good luck with your project.

Richard Thomas
 
why Stick with the 2.1L?

because it's What I have...
because it's more Square.
because it's lighter.
because it's got lower compression
because it Doesn't have oil-squirters.
because within the last year, it Was completely re-built.

and....
" I want To"

there Was a 12-page(maybe I'm exhaggerating?) discussion about 3 months Ago about 8-valve Vs 16-valve head-use.. I think it was brought up when discussing best porting methods?...

anyways... like I said... the Galant will be back on the Street Soon, and I'll be able to focus on the Volvo. Should have a pretty good work-up before Snow-fall.


wasn't looking for A pissing contest... just looking to See if everyone Was aware, Seeing As the page Still has "new" stickers All over it...
 
Unless you have access to the B23ft with the forged crank, I would go for the b21ft block. If the main goal is tons of power from this engine.. why even mess witha cast crank?

Kevin
 
Who has broken a cast Volvo 4 cylinder crank? I don't think it is a problem. It is a very good crank. My machine shop studied it carefully. An inline 6 cast crank might be a problem when subjected to double or triple the power it was intended for, but the Volvo cast crank should handle it. Forged is better, but I don't think any of us have reached the point where we need a forged crank. Stronger rods and better pistons, even if the forged variety from a B23 or B21 FT would be a higher priority. There are various qualities of metal out there and the OEM Volvo forgings are not as good as the aftermarket stuff from the likes of Crower and JE.
 
G96nt said:
wait.... huh?

sarcasm!?

last time I asked about putting the 234 head on my 21ft, everyone Said it Was near-impossible becuase of the belt tensioner differences...

I was quite-relieved to see this in my Search...

stupid SOHC 8-valve needs to GO! :badboy:
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Take it easy. I doubt anyone would have said that it was near impossible because plenty of people have done it. Matter of fact, I plan to use a stock bore B21ft if I ever get a replacement 16V head for the one I gave away in the name of science. Dick has been selling tensioners for a couple of years now. No need to get defensive. Everyones pretty kool here. If a B21ft is what you have, it's what you have. It's a kickass engine and has plenty of balls.
 
I don't want to be the rain cloud here, but in building a 16V turbo engine I have learned this:

A B5234 from an 850 swap will be CHEAPER, and LESS WORK, and MORE POWER.

Yes, you read that correctly. Do yourself a favour, get an 850 turbo motor, and 960 oil pan + mounts, and call it a day. Blamo, 300 hp streetable motor. You don't even have to take the damn thing apart to get that horsepower.

On the other hand with the redblock 16v, you need to machine pistons, program EFI, buy fuel injectors, make an exhaust manifold, buy a bigger turbo, sort out cam timing and belt tension, dick around finding crankshafts, connecting rods, gaskets, machine time, etc. Its way more hastle.

For both engines you will need a custom tranny.

Seriously, 850 turbo engines seem to go for around $300 - $600 USD. Some people pay that much for their 16V redblock cylinder head alone! Let alone crank + rods, $500 pistons, $500 turbo, ~$1k manifold, ~$2k efi.
 
Not to be a dick, but show me a place that sells a complete, running 850 turbo motor for $3-600 with ecu and the like.

Where do you propose that we find a flywheel and clutch? Transmission?

:e-shrug:
 
Not to be a dick, but if you are going to have trouble finding an 850 flywheel + clutch, I think a 16V turbo project is out of the question.

16V transmission is of equal difficulty to that of a B5234.

And usually you get used engines from wrecking yards.
 
780GT said:
Not to be a dick, but if you are going to have trouble finding an 850 flywheel + clutch, I think a 16V turbo project is out of the question.

16V transmission is of equal difficulty to that of a B5234.

And usually you get used engines from wrecking yards.
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:rofl: :rofl: I watched an LPT 5 cly motor go for something like 300 bucks on ebay months ago :roll:
 
Obeharskad122s said:
Not to be a dick, but show me a place that sells a complete, running 850 turbo motor for $3-600 with ecu and the like.

Where do you propose that we find a flywheel and clutch? Transmission?
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850 manual has a flywheel. Clutch can be purchased from Europe...get the R clutch or something aftermarket. Then the trans is the problem...

Or try out the AW71 with the bell housing from the 960 auto. Other than what Aussie Mike said about this, I don't know how much work it would take to make it fit.

I think the last HPT 850 motor I saw on ebay was less than $800 complete with manifolds, turbo, & ecu.
 
Wouldn't nessecarily have to go to Europe for the clutch. We got manual 850's up here in Canada. In fact there is a Yellow 95 with a manual in our shop all the time...

Jordan
 
GTJordan said:
Wouldn't nessecarily have to go to Europe for the clutch. We got manual 850's up here in Canada. In fact there is a Yellow 95 with a manual in our shop all the time...
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Yes, I suppose you could buy a stock Turbo clutch from a Canadian dealer to fit an 850. I suggested Europe since the US only got n/a 850's with the manual.
 
[quote:a637e35fbf]Not to be a dick, but if you are going to have trouble finding an 850 flywheel + clutch, I think a 16V turbo project is out of the question.

16V transmission is of equal difficulty to that of a B5234.

And usually you get used engines from wrecking yards.[/quote:a637e35fbf]


The point was you left out some stuff in describing the T-5 swap, and low-balled the cost of components.

With the 16v you seem to have done the opposite...

:e-shrug:

Ebay is ebay, the shit you find there usually isn?t local, so figure shipping on top of the closing price of the auction. I'd say your chances of finding a decent, complete, manual transmission 850t motor locally on ebay for under $800 are slim.

Then there's the tranny to consider, the AW71 out of a 960 would work, but who is going to go through all that trouble for a slush box? But that?s another story.

Its easy to bench race a T5 swap by saying that all you need to do is: "Do yourself a favour, get an 850 turbo motor, and 960 oil pan + mounts, and call it a day."

Its really pointless to argue about shit on the Internet, so I digress.
 
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