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Porsche Brembo "monoblock" conversion

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TheBMEPDr

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Hello Folks,
I'm well aware of the fact that I'm a "newbie" in your wonderful forum and perhaps my eyes are deceptive in attempting to retrieve worthwhile information in reference to "Big Binders" (brakes) utilizing the "search function".

This is quite odd...I'd think that vehicles with (relatively) prodigious performance capabilities, especially considering substantial "mass in motion" would have a myriad of sources to choose from in this vital area. Can anyone steer me in the proper direction? The reason for my querry is simple...At DME...(Deutschmarque Engineering) we believe that a symbiotic relationship between all vehicular dynamics MUST exist...Velocity/acceleration, directional change behavior, as well as braking capabilities should all coincide..One, without the others, is just not a dynamically balanced platform, or, "ergodynamically correct". At DME we've engineered various braking systems based on proven Porsche "monoblock" caliper/rotor units for many other makes...Nothing new, many others have...Question is....why no Volvos?

Thanks for any responses in advance..
 
im getting the impression that joe runs a company that creates conversion kits for various cars. from what i gather he has a preety damned good idea of what hes talking about.

when it comes down to it most of us are poor. that doesnt mean that it isnt a consideration on our parts.

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=21050
this is about as big as most of us ever get. its a fairly new modification to be done. if drop in kits were made for the RWD cars that offered better braking systems for the RWD bricks, im sure there would be some people interested, and even some who would buy them. but we are mostly frugal, and i promise your not going to get alot of customers from this crowd, but if you kept a few units around, you would get some customers.

personally i would love to convert my wagon to larger discs, and calipers, but right now i dont have the money. eventually of course i will, and it will happen. but no one at the moment has engineered a means by which to adapt anything near 13in or alike. my biggest concern is the increase in unsprung mass, and the increase of rotational mass. even with 2 peice rotors, you cant match the weight of a 10in disc, yet when you increase your rim size from 15in to 18in you are most certainly increasing the rotational mass, and the smaller brakes are probably not going to do a very good job of keeping up.

thats all i have to add at the moment.
 
horse said:
Porsche uses Porsche Caliper not Brembo
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nope. porsche, volvo, and even ferrari have contracts with brembo.

porsche brakes are brembos.

nick

p.s. The 13in brakes off the volvo S60R can be adapted to fit older volvos for less than half the price of new brembos.... install them front and rear... and you'll stop on a dime ;)
 
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nohbudi said:
when it comes down to it most of us are poor. that doesnt mean that it isnt a consideration on our parts.
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nohbudi, thank you very much for the link, much appreciated...
 
18yr240t said:
At VOLVO THEY THINK BEFORE THEY BUILD..
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Unregistered said:
I just don't know how to respond to this one, so I wont.
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well if you wont, i will.

that statement is preety lame. in the context your suggesting that volvo has the one up on everyone else in the market place. yet in the spirit of advancment im going to ask you to sit back, take your brickboard cap off and listen to what joe has to say.

it may be true, that the braking systems on volvos have been adequate for the task at hand (stoping a stock volvo) and theyve been preety good about it for several decades. keep in mind of course, that the brakes are engineered to stop a car that is never driven much above 90mph. altho they are capable of stoping the car from higher speeds, how many times can they do this? porsche on the other hand, while not nessicarily being the tractor a volvo is, they are designed to stop from speeds in the excess of 150mph repeatedly. in the volvo tuner community, speeds in excess of 150mph are becoming common place, and our braking systems are not capable of keeping up with it. i know i would kill for a better set of discs and calipers. not to say i have bigger calipers and discs, but because VOLVO didnt think about my specific desires when they designed my car.

this is where a person like Joe comes in, and takes care of that little issue. albeit an expensive issue. its a very important issue. my 0-60 time may have droped 4 seconds from when i bought my car, but my 60-0 is the same. this in my oppinion is not acceptable, and braking should be improved upon.
 
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330X28mm brembo discs, Brembo 4pots no more than 1k installed (even on the high side).

That's a pretty sweet deal. That being said, Im ALL for new comers and innovation in brick tuning. Personally, I was looking into 6pots just because I can ;-)

Nick, the car stops unbelieveably hard. Theres NO reason to upgrade the rears.
 
TheBMEPDr said:
Hello Folks,
I'm well aware of the fact that I'm a "newbie" in your wonderful forum and perhaps my eyes are deceptive in attempting to retrieve worthwhile information in reference to "Big Binders" (brakes) utilizing the "search function".

This is quite odd...I'd think that vehicles with (relatively) prodigious performance capabilities, especially considering substantial "mass in motion" would have a myriad of sources to choose from in this vital area. Can anyone steer me in the proper direction? The reason for my querry is simple...At DME...(Deutschmarque Engineering) we believe that a symbiotic relationship between all vehicular dynamics MUST exist...Velocity/acceleration, directional change behavior, as well as braking capabilities should all coincide..One, without the others, is just not a dynamically balanced platform, or, "ergodynamically correct". At DME we've engineered various braking systems based on proven Porsche "monoblock" caliper/rotor units for many other makes...Nothing new, many others have...Question is....why no Volvos?

Thanks for any responses in advance..
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Im sorry but im a little confused on what your saying? are you asking if we want big brakes? im kinda confused on what your saying. please stuplfy it for me.
 
Eurosport tuning makes a brembo kit for fwd:
http://www.eurosporttuning.com/Merc...en=CTGY&Store_Code=EST&Category_Code=estbrkit

they also list an ap racing kit. Between these kits, the s60r upgrade, and the fact that a 240 with drilled/slotted brembo's and good pads stops very well as-is, you have some tough competition. But if you can do it at a marketable price (by marketable I mean not far beyond the 1k'ish doug qouted on the R stuff) I'm sure people would be interested, especially for the 700/900 since they got cheesier front brakes.
That I've always liked is the ford willwood conversion Dick did (www.ovlov.net). Seems like a cool option too.
Best of luck!

Thanks for ignoring the children, by the way. :)
 
Snoop Dougy Doug said:
Nick, the car stops unbelieveably hard. Theres NO reason to upgrade the rears.
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Maybe you should do some testing on a track before declaring that there is no reason to upgrade the rear brakes. What if the rear brakes are doing too much work for their size, overheat, and boil the fluid in the calipers?

Nice Porsche brakes...and that even looks like it could be a 5x130 pattern on those rotors.
 
vurbo said:
what car are those on?
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i know it's late so i'll post it again

http://www.pbase.com/ravennexus/dutch240

towerymt said:
Nice Porsche brakes...and that even looks like it could be a 5x130 pattern on those rotors.
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yeah they are if you goto my site you see he uses a spacer to fill in the area missed when he cut the 5x108mm pattern into the disc mountings, the gallery even carries onto his engine and porsche rear brakes.

shame i haven't heard from him in a while. lost his contact details too.
 
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towerymt said:
Maybe you should do some testing on a track before declaring that there is no reason to upgrade the rear brakes. What if the rear brakes are doing too much work for their size, overheat, and boil the fluid in the calipers?

Nice Porsche brakes...and that even looks like it could be a 5x130 pattern on those rotors.
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I will agree with doug there is little incentive to change the rear brakes. Having spent some time at Thunderhill a few months ago with my new R brakes, I have no issues with boiling fluid (using ATE Super Blue and EBC Greens). The only flaw I experienced then was a front brake bias if I was too agressive on the brakes, which has now been ironed out after eliminating the rear reduction valves. My brakes now stop unbelievably hard as well... I tried them out with my brother in the car the other day... gave him some warning and waiting until I was right on a stop sign at 60 mph... then jammed the brakes hard in as close to a panic stop as you can get without locking things up. The car ground to a halt immediately... very similar to my brother's M5 (with ABS). The only thing that messed up was when my front tires hit the painted limit line and screeched the last 2 feet. I'm telling you... the difference between these brakes and my old brakes (using Mintex pads) is like night and day.
Dave B.
 
Rear brakes

As you improve your Volvo brakes you load up the fronts more and more, so the rears have less and less work to do due to weight transfer. The Volvo 2L 850 and S40 Supertourers in Australia ran huge fronts with 19" wheels, but near stock rear brakes looking tiny inside those big wheels. The Ovlov.net 740T has Mustang 330mm x 28mm front rotors plus 6-piston AP calipers and huge Ferrodo 3000 pads, but the stock rear ATE 2-piston calipers and tiny DB2 pads with "Comp 2" linings work just fine.
By the way, I've just found and bought a 240T GpA prepared and run in Oz in '87 by a privateer. After a restoration job it will be out racing next year in Australian Historic GpC/GpA racing. Watch my space!
Dick Prince Ovlov.net
 
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