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Volvo 240 TDI swap

nordmaschine said:
He was here at some point, but got chased away by keyboard warriors.
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Yeah. Wonder how that happened, LOL. Note that the OP also has decided this environment is not worth his time or effort. Asked a serious/practical/valid question that should have led to helpful answers and discussion and instead mostly triggered idiotic/ignorant comments and questions of "why".

And people wonder why internet forums are dying off. :rolleyes:

Those who have completed TDI swaps into Volvos (and there are many, especially overseas where the D5252T/Audi-VW 5cyl TDI engine is more accessible) are very pleased with them to my knowledge. Swap makes sense in every way to make a Volvo faster, quieter, and far more efficient.

OP, if you're still listening at all, may have better success / more useful info shared / fewer ignorant haters on the diesel-focused VW and Volvo boards: tdiclub.com or d24t.com

With only a few exceptions, nowadays this place is really mostly for folks who love the old redblock motors or LS swaps and are confused/triggered by anything else.
 
v8volvo said:
"why".
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This is such important information to know to correctly answer a hypothetical bench race question.
It is much more intelligent to have a complete conversation about a carbuild instead of wanking it hard to a fanboi engine that supposedly has all positive benefits and no negatives drawbacks.
 
v8volvo said:
Yeah. Wonder how that happened, LOL. Note that the OP also has decided this environment is not worth his time or effort. Asked a serious/practical/valid question that should have led to helpful answers and discussion and instead mostly triggered idiotic/ignorant comments and questions of "why".

And people wonder why internet forums are dying off. :rolleyes:

Those who have completed TDI swaps into Volvos (and there are many, especially overseas where the D5252T/Audi-VW 5cyl TDI engine is more accessible) are very pleased with them to my knowledge. Swap makes sense in every way to make a Volvo faster, quieter, and far more efficient.

OP, if you're still listening at all, may have better success / more useful info shared / fewer ignorant haters on the diesel-focused VW and Volvo boards: tdiclub.com or d24t.com

With only a few exceptions, nowadays this place is really mostly for folks who love the old redblock motors or LS swaps and are confused/triggered by anything else.
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I disagree
 
v8volvo said:
Note that the OP also has decided this environment is not worth his time or effort. Asked a serious/practical/valid question that should have led to helpful answers and discussion and instead mostly triggered idiotic/ignorant comments and questions of "why".
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Your protest has at least some validity, on the surface... except for one thing. Let's recall the exact phrasing of said original serious/practical/valid question, in its entirety:

Erik McMahon said:
anyone put a volkswagen TDI in a brick? I'm curious if it's possible
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That's it. That's all there was. (Including lack of punctuation, for those who care.) Clearly written by someone who has done ZERO research, and may very likely simply be a troll or even a robot. My own guess is that someone's winning money from his buddies, "Betcha can't keep an entire forum of morons on fire for a week with one simple question..."

Frankly, the fact that his putrid excuse for a question gained as much traction as it did says even more about us than him.

In that light, your conclusion feels like a bit of a stretch:

v8volvo said:
With only a few exceptions, nowadays this place is really mostly for folks who love the old redblock motors or LS swaps and are confused/triggered by anything else.
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OK, it's said that most accusations could have a kernel of truth. But I think the experience here is a lot more complicated than such a simple statement would suggest. I see a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for many different aspects of vehicles, and considerable camaraderie (although sometimes you need to get through the hazing rituals or the good natured ribbing, which I wish could be a bit lower, but I chalk it up to "boy behavior at the pub.")

I guess it all depends on what you compare it to. I currently have neither a redblock nor an LS, but I enjoy sharing and learning a great many other things from a group of intelligent people... who for the most part are nowhere near as judgemental as several in my birth family...
 
v8volvo said:
OP, if you're still listening at all,
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He started this thread on Jul 28 and hasn't logged in since. Don't know if he's reading without logging in.

Ordinarily, I like to give (more than a little) benefit of the doubt... I often go overboard with that... but in this case I don't feel bad for the responses this user has received.

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Differences of opinion I guess. Maybe for some folks the thing that keeps them coming back to a group like this is the BS and the gatekeeping/hazing rituals and the "culture" that comes from all that. In that case whether or not helpful information and support is being shared is beside the point.

My view: one of the things that makes a forum like this most valuable, and sets it apart from Facebook/Discord/TikTok/whatever other social platforms are eating the lunch of old school groups like this, is the way info is organized. It's accessible (mostly) by the public regardless whether they're a member and logged in or not; it's organized by topic; it's easily searchable either by the internal search utility or by Google/etc; and it's chronicled and accessible indefinitely as long as the site exists.

What that means is that every conversation, especially novel ones like this that cover fresh ground, has potential helpful value not just today but to someone else a month, a year, maybe a decade from now. Today people are still reading old how-to threads on here from 20 years ago. That's awesome. You can approach a question like this from that perspective and have a chance for useful helpful discussion that allows everyone involved now and in the future to learn and create a reference. Whether the OP stays involved or not doesn't matter as long as the conversation is staying relevant. They could drop back in at any time and even if they don't, maybe the rest of us are getting new ideas or knowledge.

On the other hand if you trash a guy's thread like this, full of useless and obviously ill intentioned nonsense from folks who mostly have no knowledge about the original question and should be staying out of the conversation unless they wish to learn themselves..... then if the OP is reading without logging in (which plenty of folks regularly do) and/or anyone else later on reads it, they'll get nothing from it. It's a great way to kill what is a completely valid and relevant conversation. We should welcome questions and new members like this if we want to sustain a community, rather than challenging them and suggesting their reasons for asking are what we want to talk about rather than giving benefit of doubt and trying to answer. This guy got some good responses on the first page but by page 3 it was useless. Not much way to get back on track after all that.

I see nothing to suggest this is a troll or bot. It's a good question to ask and too specific and unique to be a bot artifact. I also see no value in the "why" questions. The reasons why are obvious and good. TDI is a hugely popular swap engine in all kinds of vehicles, from Toyota pickups to Vanagons to rock crawlers and minivans. All for good reason. If you have to ask why then that reveals you don't have anything to add. Fine to ask once, as that can lend a dimension to the discussion.... But if you keep pressing that question then it becomes an obstacle to getting good info exchanged.

Whatever you want, it's obviously everyone's individual choice and "expression" here. Up to each of us what kind of place we want these groups to be. If the BS is what you like, more power to those engaged in it, but don't whine when the place becomes a ghost town as the old folks leave and new joiners are pushed away.
 
Right. As I said there were useful responses. That was one of them, though it's old and maybe there would be newer info to discuss. But either way, why not leave it there? Did any of the later noise add anything for anyone?
 
I'm not trying to fight a war here, as I said it's up to each of you. I've been on this board for 20 years and folks being driven away by the attitude has been a constant issue that entire time so it's nothing new. Just asking the question if that's what you all really want.

For the record I'm not defending the OP either. Should feel an obligation to stay engaged in the discussion if you come on here asking for people's free knowledge and time. But this kind of atmosphere doesn't encourage it.
 
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