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volvo classic gone green (hydrogen content)

rwturbo

rwturbo

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volvo classic gone green (hydrogen content) 40+ MPG

First of all I am posting here becouse it will not let me upload attachments in off topic. If needs to be moved feel free. Ok so I have this customer who works at NASA in Hamton VA. He owns a classic wagon that gets 41-43 MPG,He is some type of scientist. Anyway he brought his car over for some work. I looked inside and seen a box with a dail and I was like WTF. proceed to open hood to find what appeared to be moonshine shipment. Anyway this car is a classic wagon with a M47 5 speed. The Nitrogen set up is what was explained to me as a dual cell system. It uses 2 jars with stainless wire wrapped around carefully cut plexiglass inside. ( would not disclose how much and many wraps to make per jar) The system is ran with 6 volts dc going across both plates in the jars. It has plastic lids for insulators and over pressure releif valves, and feed directly into the engine via a vaccum line to intake mani. There is also a check valve system in line to keep any engine psi from going back( backfire or whatever the issue) for safety measures. It uses 2 quarts of 100 percent distilled water added to a teaspoon of baking soda per jar. Only has to be topped of once a month and drives 30 mins to work each way. It was awsome to see how fast when power applied it started making hydrogen. Total system only pulls 2 amps and has a 7.5 amp fuse. Thi picture is from a phone. I plan to take some more photos tomarrow. The only other mod he added is a electrical box that once in closed loop he can change the o2 sensor signal to lean it out more. I think it is awsome and I was shown his mileage records. he is getting a 12 MPG gain from 100.00 worth of parts. awsome
 

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They sell kits like these on ebay and the likes apparently, but most of them are crappy quality. Making them yourself, and of good quality, makes a lot of sense... You are putting hure H2 and pure O2 into the engine, so it should be much more efficient. I'd like to know how much of each gas the thing puts out rate-wise though.
 
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Yeah he experimented for awhile to get the amount of wraps and length of wire the way he wanted it. He is suppose to let us in on some further details. Atleast if he wants his car repaired for a decent price. He is also fooling the ECT and o2 sensor for mileage increase aswell. If I can get any info from him I will pass it on.
 
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I've been reading a lot about this recently, and have become more and more excited the more I've read. I have just started ordering parts to build my cell. I've heard very good results about these setups. Although I've heard better things about stainless steel plates rather then wrapped wire. It's very cool a classic Volvo is taking part.

This is a great forum I've found:
http://www.hhoforums.com/index.php

You can also look up HHO generators on uTube for some visuals.

Thanks for posting I want to hear more!
 
That's pretty awesome!! I'd definitely like to hear more.. but i can't see that working too well in colder climates or short trips.. But it sure would make road trips or long commutes more cost effective!!
 
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He definitly said it does better in warmer climates. How ever he mentioned it takes forever in cold climates to go to closed loop. I think his heater is bad on the o2, so he will get a complimentary free o2 sensor.
 
I'm sure I can find the answer elsewhere, but I'll ask here.

With the system installed I assume the engine requires less gasoline, and thus ends up running rich, triggering the O2 sensor to reduce the feed of gasoline. If this is the case is the adjuster on the O2 sensor necessary, or could it be skipped?
 
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I would almost assume 100 percent that is why it is there. However if a properly tuned car sees that the O2 is rich then the computer whould start to lean it out by itself. I am suprised of such a good outcome with a volvo. The fact alone of having 2 seperate computers and a AMM can make it in my oppinion harder than like a gm set up. Just my thoughts.
 
I still don't want to believe these systems. I wonder if anyone does the calculations?

Amount of electrical energy used to hydrolize X amount of water?
Amount of chemical energy available of hydrogen in X amount of water?
MPG gain? Little more complicated calculation... let me think.
 
I have my doubts about systems like this, the science is there; except is it as effective as people claim.

You're just using electricity that would otherwise be wasted, and putting it to use seperating oxygen from hydrogen, and combusting it......... can't see why it wouldn't work, I'm just skeptical of such amazing results.
 
I've tried to do this a while back. but I got a job and bought a Diesel. Biodiesel is MUCHO better. don't waste your time with this hooey.

I got 44mpg hiway on B99, The best I've ever gotten.... These D24's aren't bad engines. around town I get 26 ~ 28mpg.
 
Slobodan said:
I've tried to do this a while back. but I got a job and bought a Diesel. Biodiesel is MUCHO better. don't waste your time with this hooey.

I got 44mpg hiway on B99, The best I've ever gotten.... These D24's aren't bad engines. around town I get 26 ~ 28mpg.
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So? Put this hydrogen thing on a diesel? no?
 
DaytonAE86 said:
You're just using electricity that would otherwise be wasted,
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You can't make more energy than it takes to produce it. As in, the alternator spins easily when there's no load on it, but throw 6-10amps on a water heater and see how easy it is to turn. The engine has to work harder to turn the alternator.

The only way I can see it work is if the hydrogen somehow 'frees up' some potential in the gasoline to burn better or more complete, thus liberating some more HP.

Why wouldn't the O2 sensor just lean the mixture if it's too rich? WHy the need to adjust it?

Also - in the picture, are those two vents on top of the jars only one-way? If not, that is a hell of a vacuum leak. I'm skeptical and have yet to see any proof that it works.

Ii've kept records of my mileage since I got my car, so sticking this on it would be interesting, but I am not about to spend time/money on something unless I have a real good idea it'll work as advertised.
 
Reverend said:
You can't make more energy than it takes to produce it. As in, the alternator spins easily when there's no load on it, but throw 6-10amps on a water heater and see how easy it is to turn. The engine has to work harder to turn the alternator.
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Doesn't a supercharger take a small amount of energy to make a lot? ie: I think the gain in mileage is more significant than >1-2 mpg loss from loading you alternator. I've never used one of these but they seem very plausible.
 
You may also need to take into account how easily hydrogen ignites compared to petrol. Rather than getting all the additional mpg just from the hydrogen, some of it could be explained if the hydrogen was allowing the petrol to burn quickly and more efficiently.

Just an idea anyway.
 
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